Thriving in Uncertainty with Sue McCarrey

As an experienced leader who has worked across multiple industries and now is the Chief Executive Officer of the National Offshore Petroleum Safety and Environmental Authority or NOPSEMA, our next guest, Sue McCarrey, has certainly seen her share of times when things haven’t gone according to plan or achieved an unexpected outcome. Sue joins our latest podcast to discuss how challenges can lead to your biggest success.

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Sue provides an honest reflection from earlier in her career when she was younger, and how, like many of us, she would often perceive things that didn’t go to plan or when things went wrong as failures and take them to heart. Sue shares that as time goes on and you build your experience in your career, you develop the ability to look at things more critically, observing what’s occurred and distinguishing if it was really a failure, if it was potentially inevitable, or if it’s something you can look at to see then the opportunity to do it differently.

Sue also talks about the importance for leaders in providing a safety net of support to younger people in the organisation, not putting failure on them personally as this may then inhibit their confidence in having a go, trying things, and putting ideas forward in the future, which are essential for innovation. She also stresses how leaders can help staff not to feel too disappointed when projects don’t go ahead, reinforcing that the work isn’t wasted and may be able to be used in another area at a different time, providing an example from her time as National Rail Regulator.

In her role as Chief Executive Officer at NOPSEMA, Sue discusses the importance of the ability to critically analyse issues that can be complex, how being a good communicator isn’t just about being a good talker, and how leaders need to look out for people who can think for themselves and put ideas forward respectfully when building teams. She also names the most essential skill in the regulatory space as courage – having the courage to make decisions and not to interfere where you don’t believe it’s your role to interfere.

It’s a great episode that will challenge your thinking about failure and how you can support and encourage younger members of your workforce to be resilient, courageous, and confident.

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Sue McCarrey

Chief Executive Officer

National Offshore Petroleum Safety and Environmental Management Authority

(NOPSEMA)

Sue Joined NOPSEMA as the Chief Executive Officer in February 2023 following eight years as the Chief Executive and National Rail Safety Regulator at the Office of the National Rail Safety Regulator.

A career of over forty years in Government, Sue has held a range of roles across Education, including time as a school principal, the Public Transport Authority and as Deputy Director General of Policy, Planning and Investment at the WA Department of Transport. In these roles, Sue developed experience and expertise in government policy and regulatory frameworks and risk management in safety and environmental management, which she applies in her current role.

Sue holds a Bachelor of Law from Murdoch University, a Masters of Education from Edith Cowan University, and is a graduate of the Australian Institute of Company Directors.  Sue is a member of the National Association of Women in Operations, National Women in Transport, and is a Fellow of the Institute of Public Administration. 

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Thriving in Uncertainty – Episode Twelve with David Coltman

We often speak about the importance of everyone continuing to learn. After all, learning, in its essence, is about being alive. While some may approach learning with curiosity and be open to the possibilities it may provide for us, others may find it overwhelming to be able to decide in the direction to go. David Coltman, Chief Executive of TAFE SA, joins us to discuss this and much more in our latest podcast episode on change resilience.  

David shares his perspectives on the role of leaders going forward in helping people find pathways through what can feel like a dense forest at times. With an extensive career in education, David has witnessed the shift in education delivery, becoming more demand-driven, just-in-time, or just-enough training in focus, and how that is shaping education now and in the future.

He’s also no stranger to leading in challenging times, having come into TAFE SA at a time when the organisation needed to transform and be led in a new direction. David reflects on that time, having moved from Victoria to Adelaide for the role, and how he used that journey in becoming South Australian to humanise himself with his new workforce rather than it just being about becoming the new Chief Executive of TAFE SA.

He also talks about the importance of alleviating fear in the workforce through authentic communication that cuts through the jargon, giving people the opportunity to be heard, and how being physically present, where people can see him, provides an anchor for his workforce. David also shares how important it is to lead with kindness, but that, like good parenting, being human doesn’t mean just being Mr Nice Guy all the time; it’s also providing boundaries for people to work with and being consistent with them.

This episode isn’t just a masterclass in leading change, it’s also a great example of how to lead authentically and with kindness.

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David Coltman

Chief Executive

TAFE SA

David Coltman is the Chief Executive of TAFE SA. Prior to joining TAFE SA in April 2019, David was Deputy Vice Chancellor at Swinburne University of Technology and Chair of the National Institute of Circus Arts (NICA). 

David is a New Zealander who made Australia his home in 2014. 

David holds postgraduate qualifications in Adult Education and Public Administration. His early career work focused on the delivery of programs that sought to increase participation in higher education of underrepresented communities. 

More recently David’s work has focused on the use of digital technologies to improve access and participation in post-compulsory education.

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Thriving in Uncertainty – Episode Eleven with Tess Bishop

An open-minded approach to leadership and working with others is a highly desirable attribute that staff look for in a leader. After all, if you have a new idea or want to give feedback on a change or a project, knowing that you can approach these leaders, have a constructive dialogue, and work together to solve it is helpful.

Tess Bishop, Chief Operating Officer and Deputy Secretary of Strategy, Enterprise, and Engagement at the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries, and Forestry (DAFF), is one of these leaders. She joins us in our latest episode to discuss a growth mindset approach to change.

You can’t help but feel the passion and energy that Tess brings to her team at DAFF as she shares her experiences leading a very large transformation agenda with multiple aspects in response to their capability review in 2024. Tess provides her perspectives on how success can only be achieved through an open-minded approach, engaging in open dialogue with others, and adapting and supporting staff along the way.

As a leader, she acknowledges that you are only as good as your team and the importance of learning every day and passing that learning on to others. Tess also shares how she is passionate about getting out to meet her team and how seeing how things work firsthand can really bring policy to life, enabling her to receive direct feedback firsthand.

Tess is a passionate and energetic leader with an open-minded approach to leading others. We hope that you will feel as uplifted as we did after listening to our conversation.

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Tess Bishop

Chief Operating Officer

Deputy Secretary of Strategy, Enterprise, and Engagement

Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry

Tess has over 20 years' experience across the public, private and not for profit sectors in Australia and the United Kingdom. Since January 2017, she has held Deputy Secretary roles at both the state and federal level, achieving major outcomes with lasting positive impact. This includes leading priority projects such as founding the Office for Rural and Regional Queensland, establishing the Priority and Delivery Unit for the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet and delivering the Transformation Action Plan for the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry.

Tess is currently the Chief Operating Officer and Deputy Secretary of the Strategy, Enterprise, and Engagement Group in the Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry. It is a pivotal role overseeing the full suite of corporate and assurance services, as well as navigating high risk, complex and varied policy and enterprise strategy.

An experienced Non-Executive Director, Tess has recently been appointed to the Council of the Institute of Public Administration Australia ACT. She previously served on the Board of Screen Queensland, the Queensland Chapter of the Australian Institute of International Affairs, the Board of the Townsville Port Authority, and the Pathways to Resilience Trust.

Tess holds a Master of International Relations, a Graduate Certificate in Business Management and a Bachelor of Arts majoring in Political Science and Public Policy.  She has also completed the Australia New Zealand School of Government Executive Fellows Program and is a graduate of the AICD Company Board of Directors program.

Professional memberships include the Institute of Public Administration Australia and IAP2 Australasia.

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Thriving in Uncertainty – Episode Eight with Martin Hehir

In 2025, we are honoured to continue sharing more uplifting and encouraging stories in our series on Thriving in Uncertainty. Martin Hehir, who joins us for today's episode, is no exception.

Martin Hehir, the Deputy Secretary and Chief Operating Officer for the Governance and Corporate Group within the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, joins us to share his experiences in the public sector of Taking the Path Less Travelled.

As an experienced public servant, Martin has led teams in the Commonwealth and ACT governments. In this episode, he takes us back to the start of his senior leadership career by providing us with invaluable insights into how he has adapted his leadership style to take on a new role in a new department, and how the importance of communication helped him to navigate unfamiliar territory where his team increased by a factor of 20.

Martin also shares the importance that a couple of mentors played at this time in his career in helping him to stay real and honest with himself, which are invaluable attributes today for leading authentically. He also shares his key learnings from experiences in putting together multi-disciplinary teams and how fostering creative tension respectfully and engagingly can contribute to making sure that the right outcomes are achieved.

This open and honest conversation with Martin has many great takeaways, and we hope you enjoy it as much as we do.

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Martin Hehir

Deputy Secretary and Chief Operating Officer

Governance and Corporate Group

Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet

Martin is the Deputy Secretary and Chief Operating Officer for the Governance and Corporate Group within the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet, where he is responsible for the administration of the Executive Branch of Government, the management of Cabinet and Cabinet Committees, Ministerial Support, and the department's internal Corporate functions.

Before joining the Department in January 2024, Martin was the Deputy Secretary of Workplace Relations where he lead a range of industrial relations policy and programs. During his time in this role, Martin successfully delivered key legislation for the Government in relation to workplace relations, family and domestic violence leave, protecting worker’s entitlements and work health and safety measures. This included deep engagement and liaison across a variety of key stakeholders. Martin was awarded a Public Service Medal in June 2023 for outstanding public service in relation to workplace relations policy and employment services.

Prior to his role in the Workplace Relations space, Martin has held several deputy secretary positions in federal government during his career. He has been responsible for areas including developing a new employment services model; work, health and safety policy; and small business and industrial relations policy. Before this, Martin Worked as Deputy Secretary for Schools and Youth in the former Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations and the former Department of Education, dealing with the Australian Education Act, and associated funding mechanisms.

He has also held a number of positions in ACT Government, including as the Director-General of the Community Services Directorate, ACT Government. Martin also holds an Economics Degree from the Australian National University and a Graduate Diploma in Applied Finance and Investment.

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Thriving in Uncertainty – episode two

Thanks for joining us for another episode in our new inspiring weekly podcast series, Thriving in Uncertainty, where we spotlight leaders who have gotten comfortable with ambiguity and hear their professional stories about overcoming challenges to navigate change successfully.

In today's episode, Jody Grima, Chief People Officer at the NSW Department of Customer Service, joins us for an open and compelling conversation as we talk about leading change and preparing workforces for the future.

Listen in as Jody shares how there is no 'rinse and repeat' process for approaching change and that the first step is to be on the ground, understand the environment in which you're working with, what the culture is, and sensing the appetite for change. She also talks about other critical success factors, such as transparency and communication, and how without these, you risk losing trust very early on in the change process.

Over just 30-mins, you'll hear Jody share her experience in gauging the success of change programs working for Service NSW in the early days when they were establishing the three channels for service delivery in the state, how mindset and EQ play pivotal roles in preparing the workforce for the future, the biases that organisations need to overcome to ensure our workplaces are inclusive and equal for all, and how leaders throughout her career have inspired her to become the leader she is today.

It's a great episode that will leave you with some great takeaways to reflect on, and we hope you enjoy it as much as we did!

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Jody Grima

Chief People Officer

NSW Department of Customer Service

As Chief People Officer for the Department of Customer Service (DCS) Jody is focused on growing a diverse and inclusive workforce to build out the experiences we offer for both our people, and our 8million+ customers across NSW. With extensive experience in transformation, service delivery, governance, and people development, Jody is committed to driving initiatives that foster transparent ethical behaviours, enhance employee engagement, and equip teams with future-ready capabilities. 

Jody has a wealth of experience across the NSW public sector, where she has been instrumental in championing transformation, supporting workplace wellbeing, and promoting an inclusive, speak-up culture. Jody’s background is leading significant reform in service provision and running large multidisciplinary teams in complex environments, including in Family and Community Services, and Service NSW, and more recently as Chief Operating Officer of DCS. 

Jody oversees strategic people initiatives that align with the Department’s commitment to delivering exceptional customer service. In 2020, Jody was recognised with a NSW Public Service Medal for outstanding public service to the community. 

Please tune in next week as we speak to Dr Rachel Bacon, Deputy Commissioner, Integrity, Reform and Enabling Services at the Australian Public Service Commission, as she joins us in discussing a growth mindset approach to change.

Series three – Solving the Capability Gap – episode five

Thank you for listening to our third podcast series on Solving the Capability Gap. We hope that you found the insights that our trailblazers have shared valuable in helping your organisation to build skills capability and develop future-ready, high-performing workforces.

Our final episode today is the perfect conclusion to our series, providing advice and insights on how to maintain an ongoing connection with your employees that helps to fuel a culture of continuous learning in your organisation.

In the series' opening episode, we spoke to Subho Banerjee about continuous learning and how organisations must adopt it to develop a high-performing workforce ready for the future.

Equally crucial to adopting a continuous learning culture is maintaining one. This involves ensuring that employees have an ongoing connection to their organisation, which sometimes is more easily said than done. Globally, there are alarmingly high rates of disengaged employees who are 'quiet-quitting,' and it takes leaders with an EQ approach to navigate the often uncomfortable conversations to reconnect employees to their organisation.

Maeve Neilson is a highly respected and experienced leader in New Zealand. In this episode, she joins Andy to discuss how she has developed and led teams in New Zealand, drawing on her direct experience in creating a cross-functional team from the Mosque Shooter sentencing event in 2020 to create a great workplace culture.

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Maeve Neilson is the former General Manager – Health, Safety and Security for the Ministry of Justice, New Zealand. Maeve is a senior leader with unique and broad experiences that enable her to bring an innovative and fresh approach to any opportunity.

Maeve has substantial depth and breadth of experience having worked in diverse sectors and functions to deliver commercial and sustainable outcomes whilst lifting productivity and engagement. This includes a range of challenges from managing large operational functions, organisational transformations, and significant incidents and workplace fatalities, including the operational response to COVID-19.

Maeve’s ability to successfully communicate organisational vision and priorities across multiple levels sees her frequently called upon to translate the "complex" into a language all can connect and engage with, transforming both leadership behaviours and organisational cultures. She has managed teams through significant change, complex disputes and negotiations that have enabled organisations to deliver against strategic goals, and aligned teams to the direction, significantly shifting engagement. She comfortably interacts with Boards and executive teams and maintains strong networks across public and private entities.

Maeve is passionate about Aotearoa, New Zealand, particularly organisations doing great things within their communities to enable tamariki and mokupuna to thrive. She welcomes the challenge of solving “wicked problems” and enjoys aligning the operational delivery and people capability to the strategic direction. Her commercial acumen and operational management expertise allow her to quickly adapt to any environment and bring value and different thinking to support organisational growth.

Maeve holds a Masters of Arts (Psychology), and subsequent qualifications in Innovative Thinking and Dispute Resolution. She is also accredited in several leadership development tools, including the suite from Human Synergistics.

That now concludes our third series on Solving the Capability Gap. Thank you to our trailblazers and all our listeners for tuning in!

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Embracing organisational change - episode four

We’re glad you could join us for another great episode in our series on embracing organisational change.

Our fourth episode focuses on the pivotal transformational change that organisations must embrace, which is playing the new talent game. This episode will dive into the essential factors in what it takes to attract, retain and reduce employee attrition in the public sector.

With more than a third of Australian Public Service employees reported as wanting to leave within the next two years, according to the June 2022 APS Census, one correlation you can draw is that leaders need to look for ways to bridge the gap between employee expectations and employer needs. In this episode, Andy talks with Tina McAllister, Acting Director of People and Culture at the Department of Agriculture and Fisheries for the Queensland Government, as Tina provides her Queensland lens to questions on what it is that employees want, how leaders can respond, ways to to managing flexibility within the workforce, and the role that internal mobility plays for employee retention and ways of addressing it.

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Tina is Human Resource (HR) /People and Culture professional with 28 years of experience across an array of human resource focus areas.  For the past two decades she has committed her energy to Public Service with Queensland Government and within that time she has served in HR leadership roles for over 15 years. 

Tina is passionate about enabling organisational performance through the development of people at all levels via the creation and implementation of initiatives, processes, policies and frameworks that contribute to positive organisational culture, capability and employee experience.  

Please tune in next week as we talk with Pia Andrews for the fifth and final episode in our series, which will be about adopting new technologies responsibly.

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